discuss US Immigration Law Enforced

[Jason]

Tons of people are fighting back in LA about the ICE raids. Do you sympathize the protesters or the government?

One side might say immigration law is useless unless enforced.

The other side just sees this like lenient teacher suddenly becoming strict

Finally, if Democrats regain power, all this will be joke cause it will just go back to how it was under Biden.

 

[Harsh World]

I will never sympathize with government.

That said, we have laws to keep our great country intact. Those laws were trampled on in what is said to be the largest mass (illegal) migration in history during the last Administration, that if not swiftly dealt with by 2030, could have a significant negative impact on all legal Americans.

But my overall stance is that I'm on the side that upholds those laws and those that have abided by them and have immigrated it the correct way.

I had a problem with our endless democracy spreading/ petrodollar wars overseas, but this war is now on our front steps, and if we don't quash it, I'm afraid we'll have a farce of an election system after the 2030 Census where it'll essentially be 1-party rule. I'd be proud to throw on the uniform for this fight.

I don't want the US to go down the failing path of the UK by mass importing 3rd world problems into our 1st world country. Immigrate the right way, stay proud of your roots, but assimilate as an American.

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[Yama]

I don't want the US to go down the failing path of the UK by mass importing 3rd world problems into our 1st world country.

Immigration in the UK and the US shouldn't be judged in the same way. The UK went on to colonize half of the world, stole from its colonies, it never paid these country. What's wrong when people from countries like India, Pakistan, Nigeria, etc. are going to the UK for better opportunities. If they don''t these people why don't they back back everything they stole.
Ever since Trump took over the office, more than 100 people from my country have been deported. reports say they have spent upto $100k to go to the US illegally. That's a lot of money in a country with per capita of just $1500.

 

[Harsh World]

Immigration in the UK and the US shouldn't be judged in the same way.

No, it shouldn't be judged the same way. They are two different systems, with the US being freer as we have Constitutionally protected free speech, unlike there.

That said, the US should take a hard look at the UK and take note that's the direction that we're headed if we allow this lawlessness to continue, as illegal immigrants dilute the electoral vote count. Meaning, if we get enough people illegally residing in certain areas by the 2030 Census, there will be a big enough shift in Congressional representation, or, rather, the people who can amend the Constitution, as illegal immigrants are counted for representation, too. That is a scary path to be headed down...

The UK went on to colonize half of the world, stole from its colonies, it never paid these country. What's wrong when people from countries like India, Pakistan, Nigeria, etc. are going to the UK for better opportunities.

It's been about 50 years of independence, and none of those countries can figure out how to run themselves. When is it the responsibility of the people? You make it sound like big government is the only body capable of making change when it has always been on the local, down to the municipal, level.

Ever since Trump took over the office, more than 100 people from my country have been deported.

This is what the majority of Americans want. We want what's best for our country.

Perhaps, those 100 people can take the knowledge and skills they have acquired in the US back to their home country and make it a better place.

reports say they have spent upto $100k to go to the US illegally.

So, because they paid a lot, they deserve to stay? I'd agree with you if they paid $5,000,000 for a gold card and contributed their wealth to build businesses to help Americans. However, it sounds like they may have spent every dime they had and likely relied on government assistance while here, harming those we should care for first; illegal immigration isn't a victimless crime, even if they don't commit an act of violence.

That's a lot of money in a country with per capita of just $1500.

They had the option to self-deport for $1000. They could've had a year's worth of salary by just hopping on a plane and getting out on their own.

Now, they can't come back in, ever. That was a choice that those individuals made.

 

[Jason]

Immigration in the UK and the US shouldn't be judged in the same way. The UK went on to colonize half of the world, stole from its colonies, it never paid these country. What's wrong when people from countries like India, Pakistan, Nigeria, etc. are going to the UK for better opportunities. If they don''t these people why don't they back back everything they stole.
Ever since Trump took over the office, more than 100 people from my country have been deported. reports say they have spent upto $100k to go to the US illegally. That's a lot of money in a country with per capita of just $1500.

People exploiting unfair leverage and then getting burned years later.

But that happens all the time, also in personal relationships. People seek out the weak and put out unfair rules, justified by assumed superiority.

 

[Yama]

It's been about 50 years of independence, and none of those countries can figure out how to run themselves. When is it the responsibility of the people? You make it sound like big government is the only body capable of making change when it has always been on the local, down to the municipal, level.

There is a difference between people who start a race at zero point and who start at 5 meters ahead. The point is these countries were looted for hundreds of years and that cannot be mended in 50-60 years. They say when British came to India, India contributed 27 percent to global GDP, when British left, it was just 4 percent. While I don't justify illegal immigration even in the countries like Britain that were primarily built on loot, I sympathize with the sentiments "we are here because you were there."

This is what the majority of Americans want. We want what's best for our country.

Perhaps, those 100 people can take the knowledge and skills they have acquired in the US back to their home country and make it a better place.

A lot of people, including media houses, sympathize with these deported individuals. However, I don't. With the kind of money they have spent to go to the US, they could have built fairly well business or invested in stocks to get a good return. They could have helped the local economy. I have a lot of friends and relatives living in the US, legally of course, some went there through DV lottery, some went there as a student and continued living and working in the US. If these people comeback they will surely bring in skills and knowledge to help the country. But those who went there illegally were mainly doing low profile jobs.

if we get enough people illegally residing in certain areas by the 2030 Census, there will be a big enough shift in Congressional representation, or, rather, the people who can amend the Constitution, as illegal immigrants are counted for representation, too. That is a scary path to be headed down

That is scary. It it reported that in our parliament, there are some lawmakers who acquired citizenship illegally. They are not naturally born citizen. If this continues to grow and imagine reaching 50 percent, we will be foreigners in out own country, our country will no longer exist. We are already facing a huge threat from illegal immigration from Bhutan, India, Bangladesh, Myanmar and even Afghanistan.

 

[lens]

The issue regarding immigration law is not a thing to just treat like that because it is so complex. On one hand, laws are definitely in place to maintain order and protect the rights of the citizens. On the other hand, the humanitarian aspect can't be totally ignored too.

 

[Harsh World]

There is a difference between people who start a race at zero point and who start at 5 meters ahead. The point is these countries were looted for hundreds of years and that cannot be mended in 50-60 years. They say when British came to India, India contributed 27 percent to global GDP, when British left, it was just 4 percent.

This just has victimhood mentality written all over it. The focus now, especially after 3-4 generations should be, or should have been from the beginning, "What can we do now to get to where we want?" That is the stark opposite of, "Others have taken advantage of us (or we accepted terms that we really shouldn't have), let's make them pay it back."

Oddly enough, and with smart enough leadership, you can target those countries and get something back, but not through means of what I would say theft (even if in the form of reparations) from citizens that had nothing to do with those deals. Let's say, pay a corporation's entire fees to relocate X into the country and take 30%-40% of what they can extract from the country throughout a 50 or 99-year lease into a Sovereign Fund to grow for future generations.

While I don't justify illegal immigration even in the countries like Britain that were primarily built on loot, I sympathize with the sentiments "we are here because you were there."

I can't sympathize with two wrongs make a right. What I can sympathize with, or empathize with, is a family that looks to these countries and says, "I'm going to make the conscious decision to break the law so that my family doesn't need to live like this anymore." However, they know that they are, and are prepared for the consequences of doing such.

A lot of people, including media houses, sympathize with these deported individuals.

The US and global Mainstream liberal media. Not highly respected journalism when they're running cover for criminals, in my opinion.

But those who went there illegally were mainly doing low profile jobs.

Low profile jobs that pay under the table and are people who are probably remitting money back to their home country (which should be highly taxed and tracked so we know who to target). Remittance is draining the currency of the country, albeit a small part, it puts small chips in an already stressed ice berg.

I have a lot of friends and relatives living in the US, legally of course, some went there through DV lottery, some went there as a student and continued living and working in the US. If these people comeback they will surely bring in skills and knowledge to help the country.

This is the only immigration I can get behind, provided it's legal, e.g., they didn't overstay their student visas, etc.

If this continues to grow and imagine reaching 50 percent, we will be foreigners in out own country, our country will no longer exist. We are already facing a huge threat from illegal immigration from Bhutan, India, Bangladesh, Myanmar and even Afghanistan.

If you can see how dangerous it is (and also don't get it under control yourself), you can see exactly how a country you love can fall.

We're merely trying to maintain the best interests of the US.

 

[Shawn]

I've seen protestors set cars on fire, break into stores and steal items and graffiti vehicles and property that have nothing to do with ICE or immigration. I can't side with that - that's borderline domestic terrorism, IMO.

I do feel for those who are here to try to make a better life, but they should come here legally. We have a right, as a nation, to be able to secure our border so that some nutjob doesn't come in and attack the country.

I think many people protest just to protest and cause havoc.

 

[Jason]

Schwarzenegger pretty much summed it up on Jimmy Kimmel. The dems and republicans have ignored the issue for years, so now things are going down bad, obviously.

 

[Shawn]

Schwarzenegger pretty much summed it up on Jimmy Kimmel. The dems and republicans have ignored the issue for years, so now things are going down bad, obviously.

It's only going to get worse, too.

I think it will have to get worse before it gets any better.

 

[Harsh World]

It's only going to get worse, too.

I don't believe so. Illegal entry encounters are double-digit numbers now. However, I couldn't find that specifically to cite. I did find that it hit a 15-year low in February at 200. Assuming that 5x are getaways, we're still at 1000~, which is not bad at all.

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2025/02/25/single-day-border-apprehensions-hit-15-year-low-under-president-trump

Especially considering that under Biden, the average was 15,000, known (a total of 11 million+).

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2025/04/28/100-days-most-secure-border-american-history#:~:text=Average%20Border%20Encounters%3A%20Under%20Biden,course%20of%20Biden's%20four%20years.

I think we're on a good trajectory of deportations over illegal entries now. If this is sustained, and ICE's Special Reaction Teams (SRTs) are reinforced with other agencies country-wide, as they've been deployed to many more cities now, we won't just be getting hundreds out a week, but 1000s.

I was quite surprised at the logistics of ICE in California, lacking the National Guard and Marines' support, of picking up about 50 illegals and getting them out the same day or the next day.

With some scaling, we might be able to hit 2000 combined per day from the largest cities. At worst, and only moving illegals on Federal working days, we could get about a million out before the next election, and at a moderate best, up to 1.5 million if it's a non-stop mission to 2028. Unfortunately, that's only 1/10th to 1/7th of those let in, that we know of, under Biden, but it might just be enough to keep the status quo for the 2030 Census for Congressional representation.

Add in the fact that we have self-deportation as an option, and illegals seeing that we aren't messing around, and also understanding that if they are caught that there's no pathway back in, the figures could be much greater since the incentive of self-deportation is a possibility of coming back in plus a handful of cash while they wait.

Given that, I'm still more pessimistic than optimistic. I want to see our first days of 1000+ deported before I get too hopeful that it's going to work, as unfortunately, we're at the point that it has to work.

 

[Oshawott]

I have no sympathy for people who are entering any country illegally. I think these raids must continue to catch hold of illegal immigrants and they should be deported. However, it should be based on three criterias

1. Principle of non-refoulment
2. They should be sympathised with, not deprived of their dignity.
3. Reasonable cases must be allowed to stay, however, this should be rare.

 

[Harsh World]

1. Principle of non-refoulment

Non-refoulement would be considered for asylum seekers, but they must do it the right way.

They should be sympathised with, not deprived of their dignity.

Arguably, handcuffing someone deprives them of their dignity, but when you are in custody of law enforcement, that is for the safety of that person and everyone else around them. Giving them food, water, and necessities, etc., during their stay and until they leave the US's hands is fine enough, as they are humanely treated throughout that process, if you can overlook being handcuffed here and there.

3. Reasonable cases must be allowed to stay, however, this should be rare.

No, because asylum-seeking is a process. A lot of illegal immigrants are unjustly trying to use it, claiming asylum when they are fleeing economic immigrants, jamming the system with real immigrants trying to flee the unimaginable. Sadly, but to keep order and allow for all cases to be heard equally, they need to come in through the proper, globally recognized way, at a port of entry.

South Africa was a unique case as there is an active genocide against white farmers. That country doesn't just border the US, so it would be difficult to make that claim if they just decided to fly in on their own and overstay a visa to then claim asylum later, i.e., the intention of illegally entering the country.

The South African refugee program, officially known as Mission South Africa, is a United States initiative launched in February 2025 by President Donald Trump to grant asylum to white South Africans, and other minorities in South Africa, primarily Afrikaners, under claims of systemic violence and racial discrimination linked to South Africa's post-apartheid land reform policies.

Fortunately, the US made an exception to the policy and allowed them to apply where they were to be flown over here. That is certainly a reasonable case to overlook the globally recognized method of asylum-seeking.

I don't know the process of the South African refugee program, only aware that some landed as a group not too long ago. I would suspect now, they could fly in and claim it immediately, provided everything checks on arrival (issued passports, proof of residency in South Africa, etc.). But, they might have had to go to a US Embassy or Consulate, either in South Africa or enter the first country that borders South Africa and visit the US Embassy or Consulate there, to apply and have to wait it out there.

 

[Shawn]

I don't believe so. Illegal entry encounters are double-digit numbers now. However, I couldn't find that specifically to cite. I did find that it hit a 15-year low in February at 200. Assuming that 5x are getaways, we're still at 1000~, which is not bad at all.

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2025/02/25/single-day-border-apprehensions-hit-15-year-low-under-president-trump

Especially considering that under Biden, the average was 15,000, known (a total of 11 million+).

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2025/04/28/100-days-most-secure-border-american-history#:~:text=Average%20Border%20Encounters%3A%20Under%20Biden,course%20of%20Biden's%20four%20years.

I think we're on a good trajectory of deportations over illegal entries now. If this is sustained, and ICE's Special Reaction Teams (SRTs) are reinforced with other agencies country-wide, as they've been deployed to many more cities now, we won't just be getting hundreds out a week, but 1000s.

I was quite surprised at the logistics of ICE in California, lacking the National Guard and Marines' support, of picking up about 50 illegals and getting them out the same day or the next day.

With some scaling, we might be able to hit 2000 combined per day from the largest cities. At worst, and only moving illegals on Federal working days, we could get about a million out before the next election, and at a moderate best, up to 1.5 million if it's a non-stop mission to 2028. Unfortunately, that's only 1/10th to 1/7th of those let in, that we know of, under Biden, but it might just be enough to keep the status quo for the 2030 Census for Congressional representation.

Add in the fact that we have self-deportation as an option, and illegals seeing that we aren't messing around, and also understanding that if they are caught that there's no pathway back in, the figures could be much greater since the incentive of self-deportation is a possibility of coming back in plus a handful of cash while they wait.

Given that, I'm still more pessimistic than optimistic. I want to see our first days of 1000+ deported before I get too hopeful that it's going to work, as unfortunately, we're at the point that it has to work.

The worse I'm talking about is bad actors slipping in and completing attacks within the homeland.

My guess is we will start seeing that once we finally get involved in the theater with Iran.

 

[Harsh World]

My guess is we will start seeing that once we finally get involved in the theater with Iran.

Could also see it with China. However, I think the type of attack would be different.

 

[Shawn]

Could also see it with China. However, I think the type of attack would be different.

For sure. China needs Americans because we buy their crap and make them prosper.

Many of our Arab enemies want to see us cease to exist because to them, we're Satan.

 

[Jason]

Our government and business is corrupt and so they have lax rules on immigration, but if immigration isn't enforced, it becomes a joke.

But then again, I think people are ripping off food stamps and SSI also. That's why I don't like government programs because it puts you in a "zone of temptation". Well, if you tell the truth like a Boy Scout, all is taken away.

 

[Harsh World]

Our government and business is corrupt and so they have lax rules on immigration, but if immigration isn't enforced, it becomes a joke.

Hopefully, it's now being taken seriously. Immigration was one of the top 3 issues that got Trump into office. Even legal immigrants have swung so far in the direction of supporting deportations. So, this Admin almost has carte blanche to do what they need to get as many people out as they can (spare me the due process because the due process is merely just verifying citizenship or not; it does not mean they need a trial).

But then again, I think people are ripping off food stamps and SSI also.

I don't think many Americans, even on the right, would completely disagree with the fact that these programs exist. It's the abuse of people falling on them and then relying on them for 20+ years that is the problem. It's meant to be a temporary solution, so that after they get back on their feet, they essentially contribute back to it.

I'm sure people on the right would lean more to prefer that local communities and churches handle it, because the government fails at everything they do, like making food stamps and SSI so easy to get and continue receiving, as it's easier to address the problem with that solution than addressing the root. Also, because programs like this are used as a carrot to buy votes: "You want them to take away your food? Didn't think so, so vote for us."

That's why I don't like government programs because it puts you in a "zone of temptation".

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by this unless it means the temptation to keep collecting as opposed to going out there to try and fix the root problem that got them there in the first place.

Well, if you tell the truth like a Boy Scout, all is taken away.

This is where it fails because they're an "all or nothing" type of program. The scary proposal about collecting data on Americans, or at least letting computers talk to each other across different agencies, could solve this, where it's a gradual wean off the programs.

Say SSI and food stamps (unsure of the agency for the latter) systems could talk to the IRS and SSA for income reporting. They could see that someone got a job and what the pay is, then gradually step them down on government assistance month by month until it's no longer needed, or take it away completely, on say, a 1-year hold to enter again immediately, if the job they got paid so great.

 

[Harsh World]

Updated figures since the program began: Nearly ONE MILLION self-deported.

Nearly 1 million illegal immigrants have ‘self-deported’ under Trump, which has led to higher wages

DHS can’t arrest and deport 15.4 million illegal aliens, but if it simply enforces the law, many aliens will get the message and leave on their own — as hundreds of thousands apparently already hav…

nypost.com

...which calls into question just HOW many there really are, as that figure would represent 6.5% of all under the high estimates...